i know exactly what you mean. the owen part, not the breaking-in-a-goat part! ::frowns:: ianto being 22 when he was recruited by jack, so being 24 at the present, makes sense. after all, gareth is 27. which makes him 6 years younger than me. btw, he was born on the 28th of march while i was born on the 29th. so we're both aries. wow, now i know where he gets that sense of humour! anyways. but owen? a tad too young with 27. i mean, burn is 34. early 30s, that's what they should have gone for. not that all of that matters. ::grins::